The Lord's Day: Sabbath or Sunday?

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Others observe Saturday as their day of worship.

Others Sunday.

Ano ba talaga?

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Mabasa sa bible nga ang mga early Christians nagabuhat niani sa adlaw nga Domingo or Sunday. Ila kining gi atol sa adlaw nga mao ang pagkabanhaw ni Jesus. Ug hangtod karon, mao na kini ang gina observe sa mga Christiano nga kaliwat sa unang mga Chrisiano.

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For the sake of scrutinizing what we believe....

Your argument is contrary to Cardinal Gibbons:

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."
--Faith if Our Fathers, p. 111,112.

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For the sake of scrutinizing what we believe....

Your argument is contrary to Cardinal Gibbons:

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."
--Faith if Our Fathers, p. 111,112.
Why? What did Cardinal Gibbons say? And why don't you base your argument from the bible but instead on Cardinal Gibbons? Are you sure you believe all that Cardinal Gibbons would say?

The fact is: the bible says that the early Christians used to do their gathering on Sundays!

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Why? What did Cardinal Gibbons say? And why don't you base your argument from the bible but instead on Cardinal Gibbons? Are you sure you believe all that Cardinal Gibbons would say?

The fact is: the bible says that the early Christians used to do their gathering on Sundays!

It seems you don't believe the Cardinal my friend.

Because He is right. It's a Catholic confession. What the cardinal is saying about is not the gathering. It's the day of worship. The holy day of the Lord.

Gathering is not the issue here. The sanctity of a holy day. We can gather any day of the week. But there is only one day OF the Lord that is set holy from the very beginning.

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It seems you don't believe the Cardinal my friend.

Because He is right. It's a Catholic confession. What the cardinal is saying about is not the gathering. It's the day of worship. The holy day of the Lord.

Gathering is not the issue here. The sanctity of a holy day. We can gather any day of the week. But there is only one day OF the Lord that is set holy from the very beginning.
You should instead quote here Cardinal Gibbons. Your understanding of the writings of Carldinal Gibbons is what I do not believe. But the true meaning of what Cardinal Gibbons wrote, taken in context with his being a cardinal, those things I believe them. But I am sure you do not believe ALL that Cardinal Gibbons wrote. You would only select a portion of his writing then understand it out of context of his being a Cardinal to suit your whims.

So, what do you think is the correct holy day of the Lord?

And, gathering together is out of issue during the day of the Lord?

And what is your biblical basis for your answers to those two questions?

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You should instead quote here Cardinal Gibbons. Your understanding of the writings of Carldinal Gibbons is what I do not believe. But the true meaning of what Cardinal Gibbons wrote, taken in context with his being a cardinal, those things I believe them. But I am sure you do not believe ALL that Cardinal Gibbons wrote. You would only select a portion of his writing then understand it out of context of his being a Cardinal to suit your whims.

So, what do you think is the correct holy day of the Lord?

And, gathering together is out of issue during the day of the Lord?

And what is your biblical basis for your answers to those two questions?

The issue is not the credibility of the Cardinal. The issue here that what the Cardinal says is the official statement of your church. If you dont believe his statement, you are not a Catholic.

My intention is just to argue that Sunday is not Biblical. Your church is calling it a holy day. Jehovah has is own holy day. Basically its not Sunday.

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The issue is not the credibility of the Cardinal. The issue here that what the Cardinal says is the official statement of your church. If you dont believe his statement, you are not a Catholic.

My intention is just to argue that Sunday is not Biblical. Your church is calling it a holy day. Jehovah has is own holy day. Basically its not Sunday.
Then what is the holy day of your Jehovah? What do you mean "Sunday is not biblical"? Unsa man diay ang mando sa inyong Jehovah?

Ang mga karaan nga mga Kristiyano nagpili naman nga Sunday sila mag "pahulay". With quotation marks kay sa adlaw igpapahulay busy man gihapon sila sa pag awit ngadto sa Diyos ug sa pagbasa ug pagtoon sa mga pulong sa Dyos ug pagampo, ug pagpinit pinit sa tinapay.

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The issue is not the credibility of the Cardinal. The issue here that what the Cardinal says is the official statement of your church. If you dont believe his statement, you are not a Catholic.

To understand fully that statement of Cardinal Gibbons, read the background of it. He said, (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27435/27435.txt)

"But when our Redeemer abolished the Old Law and established His Church,
did He intend that His Gospel should be disseminated by the circulation of
the Bible, or by the living voice of His disciples? This is a vital
question. I answer most emphatically, that it was by preaching alone that
He intended to convert the nations, and by preaching alone they were
converted. No nation has ever yet been converted by the agency of Bible
Associations.

Jesus Himself never wrote a line of Scripture. He never once commanded His
Apostles to write a word,(139) or even to circulate the Scriptures already
existing. When He sends them on their Apostolic errand, He says: "Go
_teach_ all nations."(140) "_Preach_ the Gospel to every creature."(141)
"He that heareth you heareth Me."(142) And we find the Apostles acting in
strict accordance with these instructions.

Of the twelve Apostles, the seventy-two disciples, and early followers of
our Lord only eight have left us any of their sacred writings. And the
Gospels and Epistles were addressed to particular persons or particular
churches. They were written on the occasion of some emergency, just as
Bishops issue Pastoral letters to correct abuses which may spring up in
the Church, or to lay down some rules of conduct for the faithful. The
Apostles are never reported to have circulated a single volume of the Holy
Scripture, but "they going forth, _preached_ everywhere, the Lord
co-operating with them."(143)

Thus we see that in the Old and the New Dispensation the people were to be
guided by a living authority, and not by their private interpretation of
the Scriptures.

Indeed, until the religious revolution of the sixteenth century, it was a
thing unheard of from the beginning of the world, that people should be
governed by the dead letter of the law either in civil or ecclesiastical
affairs. How are your civil affairs regulated in this State, for instance?
Certainly not in accordance with your personal interpretation of the laws
of Virginia, but in accordance with decisions which are rendered by the
constituted judges of the State.

Now what the civil code is to the citizen, the Scripture is to the
Christian. The Word of God, as well as the civil law, must have an
interpreter, by whose decision we are obliged to abide.

We often hear the shibboleth: "The Bible, and the Bible only, must be your
guide." Why, then, do you go to the useless expense of building fine
churches and Sabbath-schools? What is the use of your preaching sermons
and catechizing the young, if the Bible at home is a sufficient guide for
your people? The fact is, you reverend gentlemen contradict in practice
what you so vehemently advance in theory. Do not tell me that the Bible is
all-sufficient; or, if you believe it is self-sufficient, cease your
instructions. Stand not between the people and the Scriptures."

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27435/27435.txt

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I think your argument is telling me that Cardinal Gibbous is expressing a Catholic view regarding the authority of doctrine.

But you miss to admit that the Catholic believes also that Sunday is not the Sabbath of the Lord.

It was changed by the Church. And provided Biblical texts with non-Biblical interpretation. Instead of the Bible and the Bible alone.