Faith Versus Reason

[agta]

"What is love without time...What is time without love.."

Ay mali...It should be:

"What is reason without faith...What is faith without reason..."

[brategamete]

Let your reason be your faith. Let your faith be your reason. Equals.

[acpatagnan]

Long vacation from this thread.

"To see is to believe." This means to understand, to grasp is to believe. It is dangerous thing to believe on something that you do not understand. The result is failure, suffering and even death. Religious faith is believing on something without understanding for any evidence or proof. According to religion, God is incomprehensible by the human mind. What that supposed to mean? It only means that the human mind is NOT the tools of knowing; it is not the means of grasping anything that exist. It only means an attacked against the nature of the human mind. Thus, religion and its books the Bible and Koran is anti-mind.

This is the undeniable proof that can be found in the "Holy" Book: God bans Adam and Eve to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Why? God do not want you to use your thinking power. What does He wnat? Obedience from you. Since there is no such being called God, it is only other men who are asking you to obey: the religious leaders, starting your own parents. LOL

[agta]

Long vacation from this thread.
It is dangerous thing to believe on something that you do not understand. The result is failure, suffering and even death.

So, you believe in what you said above! Now, therefore, before you typed those words captioned above, did you see them? No, you did not see them. As inorganic things,they existed only in your mind just as a letter of the alphabet exists only in the mind. They have no objective existence of their own. But because you believe the truth of your idea, so you made representations of them in the external world, for one, through the use of letters of the alphabet which man also simply invented.

Clearly then, although man usually believes in what his physical eyes could see, he nevertheless believes in what his heart and mind could see and thence attempts to make representations of them in the external world however crude such representations maybe. In that case, we can therefore say that "we saw because we believe".

[brategamete]

Long vacation from this thread.

"To see is to believe." This means to understand, to grasp is to believe. It is dangerous thing to believe on something that you do not understand. The result is failure, suffering and even death. Religious faith is believing on something without understanding for any evidence or proof. According to religion, God is incomprehensible by the human mind. What that supposed to mean? It only means that the human mind is NOT the tools of knowing; it is not the means of grasping anything that exist. It only means an attacked against the nature of the human mind. Thus, religion and its books the Bible and Koran is anti-mind.

This is the undeniable proof that can be found in the "Holy" Book: God bans Adam and Eve to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Why? God do not want you to use your thinking power. What does He wnat? Obedience from you. Since there is no such being called God, it is only other men who are asking you to obey: the religious leaders, starting your own parents. LOL

"To see is to believe" is a line for people who dont have faith and dont want to believe what he cannot see.

Example: a man cannot see his brain so he doesnt believe he has one
a man cannot see his nerves so he doesnt believe he has
a man actually cannot see NaCl but he does believe salt

The Bible says: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" Hebrews 11:1

Lets talk about God.

Do you have evidence that God does not exist?

The Bible tells us that He reveals to us the knowledge of Him.

God is infinite. Man is finite.

According to St. Augustine: "Infinitum pusit capere finitum."
It means, "the Infinite cannot be comprehended by the finite."

It is like putting the whole ocean to a little whole in the shore.

The human mind MR acpatagnan is finite.

Proof:
1) can u see the wind?
2) can u explain life? can u explain origin? from a protozoa? and then where did it come from?

See? The mind does not know everything. So is yours.

Your rational mind just rationalizes. But just finite. You don't know everything. There are things the mind doesnt know. It can only be known through FAITH.

Better have faith in the Creator of all things.