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acpatagnan
08-09-2008, 08:45 PM
The process of thinking . . . is the process of defining identity and discovering causal connections.

For the New Intellectual Galt’s Speech, For the New Intellectual, 152.

acpatagnan
08-09-2008, 08:47 PM
All thinking is a process of identification and integration. Man perceives a blob of color; by integrating the evidence of his sight and his touch, he learns to identify it as a solid object; he learns to identify the object as a table; he learns that the table is made of wood; he learns that the wood consists of cells, that the cells consist of molecules, that the molecules consist of atoms. All through this process, the work of his mind consists of answers to a single question: What is it? His means to establish the truth of his answers is logic, and logic rests on the axiom that existence exists. Logic is the art of non-contradictory identification. A contradiction cannot exist. An atom is itself, and so is the universe; neither can contradict its own identity; nor can a part contradict the whole. No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the total sum of his knowledge. To arrive at a contradiction is to confess an error in one’s thinking; to maintain a contradiction is to abdicate one’s mind and to evict oneself from the realm of reality.

acpatagnan
08-09-2008, 08:53 PM
If devotion to truth is the hallmark of morality, then there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.

For the New Intellectual Galt’s Speech, For the New Intellectual, 127

Europa
08-09-2008, 10:43 PM
that a sperm become a baby and a baby become a child and a child need to go to school and need food and clothes, all this pilosopia ng walang katapusan na pinagtatalunan. Ang sagot simple lang naman..kong lahat ng tao maging malinaw sana sa pag tanggap sa REALITY ng buhay at hindi puro salita kulang sa gawa. Ayaw tumanggap ng paiwanag, aawayin ka pa pag di ayon sa kanya ang sasabihin mo. haay its better for me mag tanim ng kamote may aanihin pa ako pag dating ng tag gutom.

acpatagnan
08-16-2008, 10:25 PM
that a sperm become a baby and a baby become a child and a child need to go to school and need food and clothes, all this pilosopia ng walang katapusan na pinagtatalunan. Ang sagot simple lang naman..kong lahat ng tao maging malinaw sana sa pag tanggap sa REALITY ng buhay at hindi puro salita kulang sa gawa. Ayaw tumanggap ng paiwanag, aawayin ka pa pag di ayon sa kanya ang sasabihin mo. haay its better for me mag tanim ng kamote may aanihin pa ako pag dating ng tag gutom.


Hindi lahat ng tao ay gumagamit ng PAG-IISIP. Kaya hindi lahat malalaman kung ano ang realidad. Ang pagkakaroon ng anak ay isang malaking responsibilidad. Ang taong may responsibilidad ay yung taong NAG-IISIP o ginagamit ang sariling pag-iisip. Ano ba ang tinuturo ng simbahan tungkol dito?

Ang maling mentalidad ay bunga din ng maling pilosopia. Ang maling mentalidad ay isang corrupt na mentalidad. And corrupt na mentalidad ay bunga ito ng maling turo.

Ang tao ay malayang gamitin ang kanyang PAG-IISIP at malaya din siyang HINDI gamitin ito. Pero hindi siya malaya sa bunga o consequences nito. Kung hindi ka mag-iisip, papano ka mabubuhay? Mabubuhay ka lang sa pamamagitan ng tulong ng ibang tao. Maraming ganyan dito. Ano ba ang tinuturo ng biblia, ng simbahan, ng relihiyon? Ang relihiyon ay isang uri ng mentalidad na nag-mula pa noong unang panahon. (Dark Ages) Maraming mali dito.

Bakit ka magpapatalo at yuyuko sa ganong klaseng maling mentalidad? Susuko at yuyuko ka ba sa ganong klaseng pag-iisip ng tao? Ang tama ay HINDI sumusuko sa mali. Ang nga mali ay hayaan mong magdusa sa kanilang pagkakamali kasama na ang kanilang mga anak. :D

acpatagnan
08-16-2008, 10:58 PM
Thinking is man’s only basic virtue, from which all the others proceed. And his basic vice, the source of all his evils, is that nameless act which all of you practice, but struggle never to admit: the act of blanking out, the willful suspension of one’s consciousness, the refusal to think—not blindness, but the refusal to see; not ignorance, but the refusal to know. It is the act of unfocusing your mind’ and inducing an inner fog to escape the responsibility of judgment—on the unstated premise that a thing will not exist if only you refuse to identify it, that A will not be A so long as you do not pronounce the verdict “It is.” Non-thinking is an act of annihilation, a wish to negate existence, an attempt to wipe out reality. But existence exists; reality is not to be wiped out, it will merely wipe out the wiper. By refusing to say “It is,” you are refusing to say “I am.” By suspending your judgment, you are negating your person. When a man declares: ‘Who am I to know?’—he is declaring: “Who am I to live?”

This, in every hour and every issue, is your basic moral choice: thinking or non-thinking, existence or non-existence, A or non-A, entity or zero.

For the New Intellectual Galt’s Speech, For the New Intellectual

Jeff
08-20-2008, 04:21 PM
Thinking is man’s only basic virtue, from which all the others proceed. And his basic vice, the source of all his evils, is that nameless act which all of you practice, but struggle never to admit: the act of blanking out, the willful suspension of one’s consciousness, the refusal to think—not blindness, but the refusal to see; not ignorance, but the refusal to know. It is the act of unfocusing your mind’ and inducing an inner fog to escape the responsibility of judgment—on the unstated premise that a thing will not exist if only you refuse to identify it, that A will not be A so long as you do not pronounce the verdict “It is.” Non-thinking is an act of annihilation, a wish to negate existence, an attempt to wipe out reality. But existence exists; reality is not to be wiped out, it will merely wipe out the wiper. By refusing to say “It is,” you are refusing to say “I am.” By suspending your judgment, you are negating your person. When a man declares: ‘Who am I to know?’—he is declaring: “Who am I to live?”

This, in every hour and every issue, is your basic moral choice: thinking or non-thinking, existence or non-existence, A or non-A, entity or zero.

For the New Intellectual Galt’s Speech, For the New Intellectual

What you said is not NEW to us, but what is new to us is knowing a man like you a Filipino who is a GODless person. I really hate people who don't have GOD in their heart. Ito yung mga tao na buhay pa pero ang kaluluwa ay sintensyado na sa impyerno. No offense pre!!:D:D

acpatagnan
08-23-2008, 05:48 AM
What you said is not NEW to us, but what is new to us is knowing a man like you a Filipino who is a GODless person. I really hate people who don't have GOD in their heart. Ito yung mga tao na buhay pa pero ang kaluluwa ay sintensyado na sa impyerno. No offense pre!!:D:D

Ang ibig sabihin mo ba kapag ikaw ay Filipino hindi ka na gumagamit ng MIND, REASON, ng pag-iisip. Ang ibig sabihin mo ba ang Filipino ay hindi tao at iba sa ibang lahi gaya ng amerikano, britons, hapon, negro at iba pa. Ang ibig mo bang sabihin kapag Filipino ka ay maka-Diyos ka na? Hindi lahat na naniniwala sa Diyos ay maka-Diyos talaga. Ang iba ay pakitang tao lang.

Hate is only an emotion or feeling. If you act your feelings or emotions, you will be like Islamic terrorist. What happened in 9/11 was feeling or emotion in action. The hatred for reason, for the mind as the means of knowledge, progress and life's efficacy and enjoyment. Emotion or feelings (faith) is not the means of knowledge, THINKING is.

Religion is not based on reason, objective thinking. It is based on irrational, faith means of knowledge. What is faith? It is just a feeling or emotion.:D

How do you know that God exist? What is you means of knowing? Reason or Faith? That is your choice. You are free to choose. But whatever your choice you are not free to enforce, coerce others to follow. That is what our parents are doing ever since from the birth of a child.

Europa
08-23-2008, 04:32 PM
In fairness to mr acpatagnan for those who branded him as taong walang diyos or pag piyestahan ng demonyo that is too much for a comment based on his posting here. You cannot judge the book by its cover. I know him since young quite, inteligent, smiling and very nice person. I never even heard him cursing or condemed other people..basta yon na ubod ng bait yang taong yan..i know him and some of the relatives and family itself ay pari.(.priest) just to let you know..hindi basehan ang thread or posting mo dito para pasakitan or i branded na demonyo ang isang tao. You have to know the person personally, he is a respectable and down to earth. Hindi marunong magalit..lagi lang nakangiti or maybe nagagalit din but not to the extreme na mag mumura or mag curse.

Europa
08-23-2008, 04:55 PM
hindi lahat ng tao ay gumagamit ng pag-iisip. Kaya hindi lahat malalaman kung ano ang realidad. Ang pagkakaroon ng anak ay isang malaking responsibilidad. Ang taong may responsibilidad ay yung taong nag-iisip o ginagamit ang sariling pag-iisip. Ano ba ang tinuturo ng simbahan tungkol dito?

Ang maling mentalidad ay bunga din ng maling pilosopia. Ang maling mentalidad ay isang corrupt na mentalidad. And corrupt na mentalidad ay bunga ito ng maling turo.

Ang tao ay malayang gamitin ang kanyang pag-iisip at malaya din siyang hindi gamitin ito. Pero hindi siya malaya sa bunga o consequences nito. Kung hindi ka mag-iisip, papano ka mabubuhay? Mabubuhay ka lang sa pamamagitan ng tulong ng ibang tao. Maraming ganyan dito. Ano ba ang tinuturo ng biblia, ng simbahan, ng relihiyon? Ang relihiyon ay isang uri ng mentalidad na nag-mula pa noong unang panahon. (dark ages) maraming mali dito.

Bakit ka magpapatalo at yuyuko sa ganong klaseng maling mentalidad? Susuko at yuyuko ka ba sa ganong klaseng pag-iisip ng tao? Ang tama ay hindi sumusuko sa mali. Ang nga mali ay hayaan mong magdusa sa kanilang pagkakamali kasama na ang kanilang mga anak. :d

nahh walang taong di marunong gumamit ng pagiisip.. Isip ginagamit lagi sa araw araw. Yon nga lang ang iba hindi alam paano gamitin ito..parang laro, minsan may laro na magaling ka, may laro din na ano man ang gawin mo di mo makuha ang score na gusto mo. Hindi rin ako susuko sa mali pero pwede akong guidance..pero di rin ako magpipilit kong ayaw ng tao sa panontunan ko, hindi natin mapilit ang isang tao na intindihin lahat ang naintindihan ko. Your experienced is not my experienced ika nga, your life is not my life..maski nga sa kamay ng tao.. Pag masdan mo ito iisa ang pinggalingan ng mga daliri mo isang kamay lang yan or palad.. Pero napansin moba ibat ibang size or hindi pantay ang daliri mo? Oo ngat may ugali tayong to each his own..paano kong sa limang daliri or anim minsan may isang nasugatan hayaan mo na lang bang mabulok ito? Siempre gamutin mo kasi iisa ang pinanggalingan nyo ang palad or kamay..maapektuhan ang ibang daliri or ang kamay mismo na pinangalingan neto kong di mo tulungang gamutin ano mang karamdaman neto. Ihalintulad ko ang example ko dito sa isang katawan, hidi lang sa isang kamay na may 5 or 10 daliri.. Ang utak ay iba ang gawa,,siya ang leader ng buong katauhan mo..even to your heart..remember din your brain and head are place on the top of your body.. Any actions your body does will report first to your brain. Then the rest will follow.

Jeff
08-29-2008, 12:44 PM
Matagal na itong issue mo about trying to impart that there is no GOD at all, and you can't blame me to say my opinion about you. If I hurt you as I said no offence but in order to stop this non sense debate of ours we better stop this because I believed that with more than 80M filipinos majority of us naniniwala na may DIOS at hindi muna ma bura yun sa isip at damdamin namin yun. Mag kaiba man ang aming pagsampalataya pero naniniwala kami na may DIOS ama. Lets stop this war and if you want you can start new topic its okay with me. Better we start ng ibang topic sasakyan natin pre.



Ang ibig sabihin mo ba kapag ikaw ay Filipino hindi ka na gumagamit ng MIND, REASON, ng pag-iisip. Ang ibig sabihin mo ba ang Filipino ay hindi tao at iba sa ibang lahi gaya ng amerikano, britons, hapon, negro at iba pa. Ang ibig mo bang sabihin kapag Filipino ka ay maka-Diyos ka na? Hindi lahat na naniniwala sa Diyos ay maka-Diyos talaga. Ang iba ay pakitang tao lang.

Hate is only an emotion or feeling. If you act your feelings or emotions, you will be like Islamic terrorist. What happened in 9/11 was feeling or emotion in action. The hatred for reason, for the mind as the means of knowledge, progress and life's efficacy and enjoyment. Emotion or feelings (faith) is not the means of knowledge, THINKING is.

Religion is not based on reason, objective thinking. It is based on irrational, faith means of knowledge. What is faith? It is just a feeling or emotion.:D

How do you know that God exist? What is you means of knowing? Reason or Faith? That is your choice. You are free to choose. But whatever your choice you are not free to enforce, coerce others to follow. That is what our parents are doing ever since from the birth of a child.

Jeff
08-29-2008, 12:50 PM
read the context of his furom and you will know. We are humans made by GOD and we have no right to turn our back to him and say there is no god. That is a pure insult to the Creator who made us. Ang problema ko hindi ko sya makonsente, tungkol sa curse, hindi curse yan, sarili kung opinion at hindi patama sa kanya kundi sa lahat na hindi naniniwala na may dios.


2]In fairness to mr acpatagnan for those who branded him as taong walang diyos or pag piyestahan ng demonyo that is too much for a comment based on his posting here. You cannot judge the book by its cover. I know him since young quite, inteligent, smiling and very nice person. I never even heard him cursing or condemed other people..basta yon na ubod ng bait yang taong yan..i know him and some of the relatives and family itself ay pari.(.priest) just to let you know..hindi basehan ang thread or posting mo dito para pasakitan or i branded na demonyo ang isang tao. You have to know the person personally, he is a respectable and down to earth. Hindi marunong magalit..lagi lang nakangiti or maybe nagagalit din but not to the extreme na mag mumura or mag curse.[/QUOTE]

acpatagnan
08-31-2008, 03:50 PM
From the very beginning I joined this forum, I expected that many will not agree with me or will be shock. I do not feel any emotions against those who cannot give reason to reason. It is understandable. They do not use thinking to give reason. They use feelings or emotion in answering my questions.

I know that many even millions believe in God. That is only a belief. A belief is nothing and it is not of reason. Nobody among the millions who believe in God can even SHOW and give proof about the existence of God. The belief of millions of people is not a proof of the existence of God. Truth is not something to be supported by millions of people. True is true (truth is truth) whether millions accept it or not, reality will remain real. The earth revolves around the sun is true. whether the church or millions of people accept it or not, believe it or not. The truth (reality) can be discovered and identify. How?

The questions: How do you know? What is God? What is the nature of God? What is the identity of God? Can be answered by means of reason, thinking and not by means of any feelings or emotions or faith.

KNOWLEDGE is the result of the process of thinking. The based of thinking is our sense organ, sense perception and not other. The mind processes the data given by the senses through thinking and the method is logic. Thinking is a choice to do or not to do. It is not automatic to acquire knowledge. It is possible to live a life without thinking in a true sense of the term. Just like an animals. The animals do not project their future or plan their future. Animals do not have any other goals but to live according to their nature. If they are hungry the go around and look for food if they can find one. If they can't find food they perish and die. Animals cannot improve their life efficiency like man.

To acquire knowledge about our physical surrounding world we have to use our mind, thinking. The same thing we do if we want to know if God exist or not. First we to have know What is God? Is God a male or female? (LOL) Can you identify God? How? These are the questions that by means of reasoning mind you will arrived at the conclusion that God does not exist. That the word God is a floating abstraction invented by man. It is man who invented language. Language is a form of conceptual knowledge an abstraction.

If you have the mind, you will understand it. If you don't that is your personal problem. To acquire knowledge is a selfish interest. For the benefit your own life and the enjoyment of it.:D:D:D To survive you need knowledge to be a productive person. Productivity start in the mind. Therefore, you have to develop an objective thinking mind. Faith cannot do that. Faith destroys your power to think. to reason out. to be objective. So the same with your life. That is if you really follow faith, like the extremist or fanatic or true to their faith, or obedient then your life will be different-it is not a form of enjoyment, success. fulfillment.:D:D:D

Jeff
09-01-2008, 10:32 AM
There are many things in this world which our mind can't cope up even the greatest scientest on earth can't even understand why our world hang in a balance in the vast space. Not all our mind can understand why animals can't think same we can do or feel what we can do. Nevertheless, why we need to uncover things we can't even understand its existence, however if you have that little faith even like a size of mustard seed I think you learn with in that there is ONE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING and that is the knowledge of GOD. We don't exist like magic or like a cosmic accident like meteors. There is someone who made us who gave us wisdom to reason things. So it is better to shut down this none sense discussion because no one really go with your way of thinking we are not stupid but we are wise enough to say "may pinagmulan ang lahat na ito at yan ay galing sa DIOS".



From the very beginning I joined this forum, I expected that many will not agree with me or will be shock. I do not feel any emotions against those who cannot give reason to reason. It is understandable. They do not use thinking to give reason. They use feelings or emotion in answering my questions.

I know that many even millions believe in God. That is only a belief. A belief is nothing and it is not of reason. Nobody among the millions who believe in God can even SHOW and give proof about the existence of God. The belief of millions of people is not a proof of the existence of God. Truth is not something to be supported by millions of people. True is true (truth is truth) whether millions accept it or not, reality will remain real. The earth revolves around the sun is true. whether the church or millions of people accept it or not, believe it or not. The truth (reality) can be discovered and identify. How?

The questions: How do you know? What is God? What is the nature of God? What is the identity of God? Can be answered by means of reason, thinking and not by means of any feelings or emotions or faith.

KNOWLEDGE is the result of the process of thinking. The based of thinking is our sense organ, sense perception and not other. The mind processes the data given by the senses through thinking and the method is logic. Thinking is a choice to do or not to do. It is not automatic to acquire knowledge. It is possible to live a life without thinking in a true sense of the term. Just like an animals. The animals do not project their future or plan their future. Animals do not have any other goals but to live according to their nature. If they are hungry the go around and look for food if they can find one. If they can't find food they perish and die. Animals cannot improve their life efficiency like man.

To acquire knowledge about our physical surrounding world we have to use our mind, thinking. The same thing we do if we want to know if God exist or not. First we to have know What is God? Is God a male or female? (LOL) Can you identify God? How? These are the questions that by means of reasoning mind you will arrived at the conclusion that God does not exist. That the word God is a floating abstraction invented by man. It is man who invented language. Language is a form of conceptual knowledge an abstraction.

If you have the mind, you will understand it. If you don't that is your personal problem. To acquire knowledge is a selfish interest. For the benefit your own life and the enjoyment of it.:D:D:D To survive you need knowledge to be a productive person. Productivity start in the mind. Therefore, you have to develop an objective thinking mind. Faith cannot do that. Faith destroys your power to think. to reason out. to be objective. So the same with your life. That is if you really follow faith, like the extremist or fanatic or true to their faith, or obedient then your life will be different-it is not a form of enjoyment, success. fulfillment.:D:D:D

acpatagnan
09-07-2008, 04:40 AM
There are many things in this world which our mind can't cope up even the greatest scientist on earth can't even understand why our world hang in a balance in the vast space. Not all our mind can understand why animals can't think same we can do or feel what we can do. Nevertheless, why we need to uncover things we can't even understand its existence, however if you have that little faith even like a size of mustard seed I think you learn with in that there is ONE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING and that is the knowledge of GOD. We don't exist like magic or like a cosmic accident like meteors. There is someone who made us who gave us wisdom to reason things. So it is better to shut down this none sense discussion because no one really go with your way of thinking we are not stupid but we are wise enough to say "may pinagmulan ang lahat na ito at yan ay galing sa DIOS".

It is not wise and understanding to say that "Everything starts from nothing". Reason and thinking starts from something. You don't reason and think from nothing, from non-existence. You have consciousness, mind, thinking, reason a human tool to be used for something that exist. You can be conscious only of something and not for nothing.

Matter, the ultimate form of the physical world, is eternal-no beginning and no ending. Not created and cannot be destroyed. That is the fact science knows and discovered. And that is the starting point of man's thinking, of being aware of. It is a relationship of the mind (consciousness) to the external physical world. It is the mind that must be objective in its processing of knowledge. The world is there (the physical world). The function of the mind is know about it, to be aware about it, conscious about it. Of course, the process done by the mind start from the data receive from the senses. That is true. Our senses do not tell a lie. The result of the process is knowledge- the knowledge about the physical world. Knowledge is symbolized by words (visual-audio symbols). Concepts expressed in words. Concept to be part of true knowledge must be traced back to sense perception-sense organ.

The statement " lahat may pinagmulan at yan ay sa diyos" not wise enough and lack simple understanding of the process of acquiring knowledge based on objective thinking. You don't know the nature of God, because there is nothing to know. You can not acquire knowledge of something that does not exist. The mind function only if there is something that exist. You are aware of something only. You cannot be aware of nothing. Nothing is nothing, it does not exist. Ang mayroon ay mayroon. Ang wala ay wala. Kapag sinabi mo ang mayroon ay wala or ang wala ay mayroon. That is irrationality. That is stupidity. That is nonsense. It is the same thing to say that A can be B.
That a stone can be bread in one blink of an eye. That the water can be wine. That a snake can talk. That a bush can talk and cannot be consume by fire. These cannot be called knowledge at all. :D

Jeff
09-17-2008, 04:37 PM
The source of knowledge that you are saying is from God, we are not born to be automatic that we immediately knows reasoning with out something to reason out. That something is the existence of our sorroundings comes from a supreme creator and that is GOD. This is just a simple thing to ponder, who made us do the reasoning? For me if there is a supreme being who did the key turning in our head, then we are like dogs, pigs and other animals who live by instinct.



It is not wise and understanding to say that "Everything starts from nothing". Reason and thinking starts from something. You don't reason and think from nothing, from non-existence. You have consciousness, mind, thinking, reason a human tool to be used for something that exist. You can be conscious only of something and not for nothing.

Matter, the ultimate form of the physical world, is eternal-no beginning and no ending. Not created and cannot be destroyed. That is the fact science knows and discovered. And that is the starting point of man's thinking, of being aware of. It is a relationship of the mind (consciousness) to the external physical world. It is the mind that must be objective in its processing of knowledge. The world is there (the physical world). The function of the mind is know about it, to be aware about it, conscious about it. Of course, the process done by the mind start from the data receive from the senses. That is true. Our senses do not tell a lie. The result of the process is knowledge- the knowledge about the physical world. Knowledge is symbolized by words (visual-audio symbols). Concepts expressed in words. Concept to be part of true knowledge must be traced back to sense perception-sense organ.

The statement " lahat may pinagmulan at yan ay sa diyos" not wise enough and lack simple understanding of the process of acquiring knowledge based on objective thinking. You don't know the nature of God, because there is nothing to know. You can not acquire knowledge of something that does not exist. The mind function only if there is something that exist. You are aware of something only. You cannot be aware of nothing. Nothing is nothing, it does not exist. Ang mayroon ay mayroon. Ang wala ay wala. Kapag sinabi mo ang mayroon ay wala or ang wala ay mayroon. That is irrationality. That is stupidity. That is nonsense. It is the same thing to say that A can be B.
That a stone can be bread in one blink of an eye. That the water can be wine. That a snake can talk. That a bush can talk and cannot be consume by fire. These cannot be called knowledge at all. :D