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    I am sure Jesus was born on December 25. But I am interested in the opinions
    of of my "classmates" here in Biliran Island Forum. How do you prove that Jesus was born on December 25, or prove that Jesus was not born on December 25?
    Let one another disprove each other's proof in charitable way.

    So, let the game begin!
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    Was Jesus born on December 25?

    Was Jesus born on December 25? There is no evidence for this date. So then, who decided that Jesus' birth would be celebrated on that date? The early Christian church did not celebrate Jesus' birth. It wasn't until A.D. 440 that the church officially proclaimed December 25 as the birth of Christ. This was not based on any religious evidence but on a pagan feast. Saturnalia was a tradition inherited by the Roman pagans from an earlier Babylonian priesthood. December 25 was used as a celebration of the birthday of the sun god. It was observed near the winter solstice.

    The apostles in the Bible predicted that some Christians would adopt pagan beliefs to enable them to make their religion more palatable to the pagans around them. Therefore, some scholars think the church chose the date of this pagan celebration to interest them in Christianity. The pagans were already used to celebrating on this date.

    The Bible itself tells us that December 25 is an unlikely date for His birth. Palestine is very cold in December. It was much too cold to ask everyone to travel to the city of their fathers to register for taxes. Also the shepherds were in the fields (Luke 2:8-12). Shepherds were not in the fields in the winter time. They are in the fields early in March until early October. This would place Jesus' birth in the spring or early fall. It is also known that Jesus lived for 33.5 years and died at the feast of the Passover, which is at Easter time. He must therefore have been born six months the other side of Easter - making the date around the September/October time frames.

    Other evidence that December 25 is the wrong date for the birth of Jesus comes from early writings. Iraneus, born about a century after Jesus, notes that Jesus was born in the 41st year of the reign of Augustus. Since Augustus began his reign in the autumn of 43 B.C., this appears to substantiate the birth of Jesus as the autumn of 2 B.C. Eusebius (A.D. 264-340), the "Father of Church History," ascribes it to the 42nd year of the reign of Augustus and the 28th from the subjection of Egypt on the death of Anthony and Cleopatra. The 42nd year of Augustus ran from the autumn of 2 B.C. to the autumn of 1 B.C. The subjugation of Egypt into the Roman Empire occurred in the autumn of 30 B.C. The 28th year extended from the autumn of 3 B.C. to the autumn of 2 B.C. The only date that would meet both of these constraints would be the autumn of 2 B.C.

    John the Baptist also helps us determine that December 25 is not the birth of Jesus. Elizabeth, John's mother, was a cousin of Mary. John began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. The minimum age for the ministry was 30. As Augustus died on August 19, A.D. 14, that was the accession year for Tiberius. If John was born on April 19-20, 2 B.C., his 30th birthday would have been April 19-20, A.D. 29, or the 15th year of Tiberius. This seems to confirm the 2 B.C. date, and, since John was 5 months older, this also confirms an autumn birth date for Jesus.



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    i dont believe that jesus was born on december 25...

    december 25 is the date where constatine a pagan king converted into christianity
     

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    Unfortunately, Jesus' birthday was not recorded, so we cannot know the exact day of His birth. There were pagan festivals in honor of the Roman God, Saturn, during the month of December. So, December 25 became the recognized day to celebrate Christ's birth as a Christian alternative to the rituals of the day.
    I do not hesitate to say that Jesus does not care which day we choose to celebrate His birth as long as we remember Him throughout the whole year. Having one day set aside in special tribute to Him is good. It must pain Him, though, when people claim to be celebrating His birth but hardly think of Him on Christmas Day as they hurriedly prepare gifts and fancy meals and rush through their traditions. Next Christmas--and every day--pause in the middle of your hustle and bustle to reflect on that little baby, born in a stable, who came to save the world--and you.
     

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    "Why do many Christians celebrate Christmas on the 25th of December, if that is not when he was born?

    The date was chosen by the Roman Catholic Church. Because Rome dominated most of the "Christian" world for centuries, the date became tradition throughout most of Christendom.

    The original significance of December 25 is that it was a well-known festival day celebrating the annual return of the sun. December 21 is the winter solstice (shortest day of the year and thus a key date on the calendar), and December 25 is the first day that ancients could clearly note that the days were definitely getting longer and the sunlight was returning.

    So, why was December 25 chosen to remember Jesus Christ's birth with a mass (or Communion supper)? Since no one knows the day of his birth, the Roman Catholic Church felt free to chose this date. The Church wished to replace the pagan festival with a Christian holy day (holiday). The psychology was that is easier to take away an unholy (but traditional) festival from the population, when you can replace it with a good one. Otherwise, the Church would have left a void where there was a long-standing tradition, and risked producing a discontented population and a rapid return to the old ways".

    i think this information i lifted will provide information why we celebrate christmas on December 25.

    http://www.christiananswers.net/chri...christmas.html
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    There is no records or Bible didn't mentioned even once about Jesus actual date of birth but surely it’s not December because that month is snow time in Israel and that can be impossible for a shepherd letting his sheeps go “sa sabsaban” . However, we catholic followed the old tradition way to celebrate Jesus birthday. But what is important, the center or the focal point of that celebration is Jesus in our hearts.

    Another thing, it's not three kings as what we knew. It's three wise men or "pantas"...madami talagang lapses hehehe
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