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    Islam cannot be from God because the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, did not pass God's first test for a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:21-22 tells us that God will authenticate those He sends as a prophet by having them perform signs. Muhammad gave no sign as required by God.


    (Deuteronomy 18:21,22, NAS95) 21 "You may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’ 22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

    Muslims recognize this and try to overcome the principle of God confirming his revelation with signs by asserting that the revelation of the Qur’an itself is a sign. When Muhammad was challenged by the Jews and Christians to produce a sign, he received a special revelation from Allah.

    Qur'an 6:37-39, 36. And they said: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "Allâh is certainly Able to send down a sign, but most of them know not." 38. There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communitie like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered. 39. Those who reject Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) are deaf and dumb in darkness. Allâh sends astray whom He wills and He guides on the Straight Path whom He wills.

    Muslims claim that the Qur'an itself is the sign God gave Muhammad.

    Notice the difference in the Muslim claims and the evidence put forward by the Hebrew writer in Hebrews 2:3-4,

    "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?"

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    Qur'an 4.171 "O People of the Scripture(Jews and Christians)! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender."

    Quran5:116
    And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.


    Isn't these staright attacks from other denominations?

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    The Arab nation (where islam was born) came from the Ishmaelites, lineage of Ishmael, Son of Abraham.

    We know the story about Abrahams 2 sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Si Ishamel ay anak sa labas ni Abraham kay Agar, her wife's helper, bunga ng isang maling hakbang para tuparin ang pangako ng Diyos kay Abraham. It was thru Isaac, the true son of Abraham, isinakatuparan ni God ang promise nya kay Abraham which was to be the father of many nations. It was thru Isaac that God flowed the blessing to His chosen nation (Israel). In the eyes of God, Isaac is the ligitimate son of Abraham.

    And now, it's just amazing how somebody from the lineage of the "anak sa labas" would bring a new gospel that would cause confusion and contradiction to the lineage of the ligitimate son...

    malinaw na si Ishmael at Isaac ay maiihalintulad sa dalwang magkahiwalay na daan. It's for you people to decide which side you are in. Kung linya ka ba ni Ishmael, o linya ka ni Isaac?

    Kaya wag na kayo magtaka kung hanggang ngayon eh kontra ang Arab nation sa Israel (Jews)... Kasi sa simula plang may conflict na sa dalwang ito.
    Last edited by echo101; 06-07-2008 at 11:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echo101 View Post
    Islam cannot be from God because the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, did not pass God's first test for a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:21-22 tells us that God will authenticate those He sends as a prophet by having them perform signs. Muhammad gave no sign as required by God.


    (Deuteronomy 18:21,22, NAS95) 21 "You may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’ 22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

    Muslims recognize this and try to overcome the principle of God confirming his revelation with signs by asserting that the revelation of the Qur’an itself is a sign. When Muhammad was challenged by the Jews and Christians to produce a sign, he received a special revelation from Allah.

    Qur'an 6:37-39, 36. And they said: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "Allâh is certainly Able to send down a sign, but most of them know not." 38. There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communitie like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered. 39. Those who reject Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) are deaf and dumb in darkness. Allâh sends astray whom He wills and He guides on the Straight Path whom He wills.

    Muslims claim that the Qur'an itself is the sign God gave Muhammad.

    Notice the difference in the Muslim claims and the evidence put forward by the Hebrew writer in Hebrews 2:3-4,

    "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?"
    uuy baling paksa...
    asan na yong sagot mo sa mga tanong ko?
    Yung sa pinagmamalaki mong LOVE YOUR ENEMIES anong say mo sa nakalagay sa Bible mo? maghihintay ako kaibigan...

    Ano na ung situation nung kinota mong talata sa Holy Qur'an? Para kanino un patungkol? Wala ka pang nasasagot gumagawa ka na naman ng ibang issue... baling paksa nga!

    O asa na yung mga contradictions sa Qur'an na pinagsasabi mo? Kailangan may proof ha dapat hindi galing sa Bible ha.. kasi Qur'an ang sinabi mo eh...

    Pwde ba bago ka mag open ng ibang issue sagutin mo muna tong mga tanong ko? Wag kang magbaling paksa kaibigan... halatang paninirang puri lang yang ginagawa mo...

    O ano payag ka debate tayo sa DEBATE BOARD
    ito issue:

    Bible or Qur'an: Alin ang totoong Salita ng Diyos? Dapat ang pagbabasehan mo ay yang Bible mo ang akin eh ang Qur'an ko.


    Last edited by justme; 06-07-2008 at 11:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echo101 View Post
    The Arab nation (where islam was born) came from the Ishmaelites, lineage of Ishmael, Son of Abraham.

    We know the story about Abrahams 2 sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Si Ishamel ay anak sa labas ni Abraham kay Agar, her wife's helper, bunga ng isang maling hakbang para tuparin ang pangako ng Diyos kay Abraham. It was thru Isaac, the true son of Abraham, isinakatuparan ni God ang promise nya kay Abraham which was to be the father of many nations. It was thru Isaac that God flowed the blessing to His chosen nation (Israel). In the eyes of God, Isaac is the ligitimate son of Abraham.

    And now, it's just amazing how somebody from the lineage of the "anak sa labas" would bring a new gospel that would cause confusion and contradiction to the lineage of the ligitimate son...

    malinaw na si Ishmael at Isaac ay maiihalintulad sa dalwang magkahiwalay na daan. It's for you people to decide which side you are in. Kung linya ka ba ni Ishmael, o linya ka ni Isaac?

    Kaya wag na kayo magtaka kung hanggang ngayon eh kontra ang Arab nation sa Israel (Jews)... Kasi sa simula plang may conflict na sa dalwang ito.

    Ano to? Baling paksa? Asan na ung mga sagot mo?

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    Ahh yun ba.. uu nga pla... Eh noong old testament days pa un inutos sa mga Israelites eh, nung time na ite-take-over nila ung promised land.. Ginawa lng nila un nung dumating na sila dun sa promised land. But this time, sa new testament, we were commanded to love our enemies.. na ang masama ay gantihan ng mabuti, hindi sa masamang paraan din.. cge nga.. bigyan moko ng scripture sa koran na sinabing "we should love people who do evil to us."? patunayan mong hindi pagpatay sa mga umaapi sayo ang ganti gaya ng sinasabi ng koran...

    At excuse me indi ko iniiba ang topic, 10 reasons ang ibibigay ku sau why Islam could not be from God, una pa lng un... hintay ka lng ha..

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    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
    Ano to? Baling paksa? Asan na ung mga sagot mo?
    At anu rin toh? hindi mu rin matanggap ung tungkol kay Ishmael at Isaac? eh kasi tama naman diba???????? ikaw nman ang bibigyan ko ng something to think about... hehehe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by echo101 View Post
    Islam cannot be from God because the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, did not pass God's first test for a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:21-22 tells us that God will authenticate those He sends as a prophet by having them perform signs. Muhammad gave no sign as required by God.

    (Deuteronomy 18:21,22, NAS95) 21 "You may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’ 22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
    Paano mo nalaman kaibigan? anong batayan mo? Itong Bible mo? E proove mo muna sakin na Divine Word of God yang Bible mo at walang contradictions at dapat hindi salungat sa Science ha..maghihintay ako kaibigan para sa mga sagot mo...


    Quote Originally Posted by echo101 View Post
    Muslims recognize this and try to overcome the principle of God confirming his revelation with signs by asserting that the revelation of the Qur’an itself is a sign. When Muhammad was challenged by the Jews and Christians to produce a sign, he received a special revelation from Allah.

    Qur'an 6:37-39, 36. And they said: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "Allâh is certainly Able to send down a sign, but most of them know not." 38. There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communitie like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered. 39. Those who reject Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) are deaf and dumb in darkness. Allâh sends astray whom He wills and He guides on the Straight Path whom He wills.

    Ano ba ang pagkakaintindi mo dito sa Surah na ito kaibigan? sige nga...


    Quote Originally Posted by echo101 View Post
    Muslims claim that the Qur'an itself is the sign God gave Muhammad.
    Notice the difference in the Muslim claims and the evidence put forward by the Hebrew writer in Hebrews 2:3-4,

    "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?"[/QUOTE]

    There is a great difference sa Islam at Christianity kaibigan... kaya wag mong ibabase ang claims ng mga tunay na Muslim sa Bible kasi nga hindi kami naniniwala ng buo sa Bibliya ninyo...

    Yan ha ang dami ko ng tanong sayo sana naman eh masagot mo na kaibigan hindi ung nagbabaling paksa ka at gumagawa ng panibagong issue... halata namang paninirang puri lang yang sayo...

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    Paninirang puri? Anu nman sisirain dun? the Koran doesnt even have dignity to be ruined to beggin with.. It is islam who is trying to ruin the dignity of the bible since the day it came.. wait lng busy pa aku eh.. sasagutin ko rin yan...
    Last edited by echo101; 06-07-2008 at 12:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echo101 View Post
    Ahh yun ba.. uu nga pla... Eh noong old testament days pa un inutos sa mga Israelites eh, nung time na ite-take-over nila ung promised land.. Ginawa lng nila un nung dumating na sila dun sa promised land. But this time, sa new testament, we were commanded to love our enemies.. na ang masama ay gantihan ng mabuti, hindi sa masamang paraan din.. cge nga.. bigyan moko ng scripture sa koran na sinabing "we should love people who do evil to us."? patunayan mong hindi pagpatay sa mga umaapi sayo ang ganti gaya ng sinasabi ng koran...

    At excuse me indi ko iniiba ang topic, 10 reasons ang ibibigay ku sau why Islam could not be from God, una pa lng un... hintay ka lng ha..
    hahaha...so pinapalagay mo na porke't nasa OT eh hindi na parte ng Bibliya? kasi iba na ang kautusan ng NT ganon ba?

    I apply natin sa daily lives natin kaibigan ganito:
    Nirape kapatid mo..anong gagawin mo? hahayaan mo lang ang salarin kasi LOVE UR ENEMIES NGA EH.. o magdedemanda ka at ipakukulong mo ang salarin...sagot...

    Obvious naman eh na nagbabaling paksa ka na...bakit di mo nasagot agad..ang dami pang tanong di mo nasasagot kaibigan maghihintay pa rin ako...

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