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    Quote Originally Posted by echo101 View Post
    At anu rin toh? hindi mu rin matanggap ung tungkol kay Ishmael at Isaac? eh kasi tama naman diba???????? ikaw nman ang bibigyan ko ng something to think about... hehehe...
    Anong hindi matanggap? Ang alin? May inamin ba akong tama? Pwde ba bago ka mag open ng ibang issue eh tapusin muna natin ung issue na nasimulan na... puro ka baling paksa... di ka marunong makipag argumento ng maayos.

    Darating din tayo jan kay Isaac at Ishmael pero dapat nakabase ako sa Qur'an namin ha hindi sa Bible ninyo kasi nag Muslim na nga ako eh... oks ba?
    Last edited by justme; 06-07-2008 at 01:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echo101 View Post
    Paninirang puri? Anu nman sisirain dun? the Koran doesnt even have dignity to be ruined to beggin with.. wait lng busy pa aku eh.. sasagutin ko rin yan.. It is islam who is trying to ruin the dignity of the bible...
    obvious naman na paninirang puri yang ginagawa mo kaibigan..sa simula pa lang ng thread.. nagpaskil lang ako ng isang chapter ng Qur'an tapos anong ginawa mo... pakibalikan nalng ung post mo na obvious paninirang puri lamang .... bakit sila ang ibang mga Christians dito tulad ni Jeff na nag popost ng passage ng Bible ginanyan ko ba gaya ng ginagawa mo ngaun...sige nga...

    Ung hamon ka sayo...pauunlakan mo ba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
    obvious naman na paninirang puri yang ginagawa mo kaibigan..sa simula pa lang ng thread.. nagpaskil lang ako ng isang chapter ng Qur'an tapos anong ginawa mo... pakibalikan nalng ung post mo na obvious paninirang puri lamang .... bakit sila ang ibang mga Christians dito tulad ni Jeff na nag popost ng passage ng Bible ginanyan ko ba gaya ng ginagawa mo ngaun...sige nga...

    Ung hamon ka sayo...pauunlakan mo ba?
    Anung hamon? ung debate? somehow i'd like to.. pero i don't thinkthat i can win you back anymore eh.. you have blinded yourself so much..

    Pasensya na kung ganun ang naging dating sau ng unang post ko.. but i just can't take it, seeing somebody spreading lies, garbage should go in a trash can, at hindi ipinagkakalat..

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    Quote Originally Posted by echo101 View Post
    Anung hamon? ung debate? somehow i'd like to.. pero i don't thinkthat i can win you back anymore eh.. you have blinded yourself so much..

    Pasensya na kung ganun ang naging dating sau ng unang post ko.. but i just can't take it, seeing somebody spreading lies, garbage should go in a trash can, at hindi ipinagkakalat..
    Ano yan umaatras ka ba?bakit sabi ko ba ang topic eh TO WIN ME BACK... alam mo lang kasi na matatalo lang kita echo101... . anong blinded? naopen up nga ako eh..ung mga katanungan na di masagot ng mga pari at ministro eh nasagot dito sa pinili kung relihiyon...kaya kung ako sayo mag aral ka bago ka magkomento ng hindi maganda...

    See..sa tono ng pananalita mo hindi lang paninirang puri kundi nanglalait, nangmamaliit at nanghuhusga pa! Baka nakakalimutan mong nanggaling na ako jan sa pinagmamalaki mong relihiyon alam ko ang harap at likod niyan kaya kung wala kang ma comment na maganda eh manahimik ka na lang.... nakakahiya ka nadadamay pati mga kaanib mo ...alam mo ba un?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
    Paano mo nalaman kaibigan? anong batayan mo? Itong Bible mo? E proove mo muna sakin na Divine Word of God yang Bible mo at walang contradictions at dapat hindi salungat sa Science ha..maghihintay ako kaibigan para sa mga sagot mo...
    Don't you even dare to compare koran to the bible.. Wala sa kalingkingan ng bible ang koran. The bible had already proven itself for thousands of years.. Considering that it is a historical document, it can give you a physical evidence, the dead sea scrolls, the original manuscripts. It contains actual words spoken by Jesus Christ himself in the latter testament..

    Walang contradictions sa bible, kung meron man, fabricated lang ung mga un, perverted and twisted understanding of the scriptures..

    At bakit mu nman gagamitin ang science sa pag-authenticate sa bible? well cguro sa ibang part naabot ng science ang bible. Pero the bible is God's word, and God cannot be calculated by the intellegence of a human, and so as his words, because a wise will not speak foolishness, the words are as mighty as its speaker.
    May part na ndi na kayang abutin ng Science.. Ndi kayang i-measure ng science ang Diyos, kaya ndi pedeng science lng ang gamitin basehan. Sabi ko nga, You will surely fall short if you try to measure God by you own intellect.

    The Koran is nothing more that a twisted alteration of the bible. There is one story in the Qur'an which is somewhat like the story of Joseph the dreamer, same scene, just in different characters, same story about the wife trying to seduce his husband's servant, coincidence lng ba un na halos magkamukha ang eksena, medyo naiba lng ang ending..


    Ano ba ang pagkakaintindi mo dito sa Surah na ito kaibigan? sige nga...
    nagdadahilan lng si muhammad, ung book lng ung naisip nyang sign galing kay God... tsk tsk tsk..

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    Islam cannot be from God because it denies the Godhood of Jesus. In the Qur’an, Muhammad takes great pains to deny the deity of Jesus. It demeans Jesus and makes him just a man. In Philippians, Paul asserts that Jesus existed in the form of God.


    Qur'an 4:171 "O people of the book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God naught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: So believe in God and His messengers..."

    (Philippians 2:5-9, NAS95) 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

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    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post


    Ano yan umaatras ka ba?bakit sabi ko ba ang topic eh TO WIN ME BACK... alam mo lang kasi na matatalo lang kita echo101... . anong blinded? naopen up nga ako eh..ung mga katanungan na di masagot ng mga pari at ministro eh nasagot dito sa pinili kung relihiyon...kaya kung ako sayo mag aral ka bago ka magkomento ng hindi maganda...

    See..sa tono ng pananalita mo hindi lang paninirang puri kundi nanglalait, nangmamaliit at nanghuhusga pa! Baka nakakalimutan mong nanggaling na ako jan sa pinagmamalaki mong relihiyon alam ko ang harap at likod niyan kaya kung wala kang ma comment na maganda eh manahimik ka na lang.... nakakahiya ka nadadamay pati mga kaanib mo ...alam mo ba un?

    anong denomination ba ng Christiannity pinaggalingan mu? kung galing ka sa Catholic, well pareho tau, at alam ku rin ang mga itinatago ng Catholic church..

    Yes i admit.. ngayon plang tinatanggap ko na ang pagkatalo ko sau.. I'll let you taste victory now. But i know the Great udge Jesus is coming back to vindicate me.. But for the mean time.. i'll have the boldeness ang courage to say it right to your face.. "YOU ARE GOING THE WRONG WAY"

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    Quote Originally Posted by echo101 View Post
    Don't you even dare to compare koran to the bible.. Wala sa kalingkingan ng bible ang koran. The bible had already proven itself for thousands of years.. Considering that it is a historical document, it can give you a physical evidence, the dead sea scrolls, the original manuscripts. It contains actual words spoken by Jesus Christ himself in the latter testament..

    Walang contradictions sa bible, kung meron man, fabricated lang ung mga un, perverted and twisted understanding of the scriptures..

    At bakit mu nman gagamitin ang science sa pag-authenticate sa bible? well cguro sa ibang part naabot ng science ang bible. Pero the bible is God's word, and God cannot be calculated by the intellegence of a human, and so as his words, because a wise will not speak foolishness, the words are as mighty as its speaker.
    May part na ndi na kayang abutin ng Science.. Ndi kayang i-measure ng science ang Diyos, kaya ndi pedeng science lng ang gamitin basehan. Sabi ko nga, You will surely fall short if you try to measure God by you own intellect.

    The Koran is nothing more that a twisted alteration of the bible. There is one story in the Qur'an which is somewhat like the story of Joseph the dreamer, same scene, just in different characters, same story about the wife trying to seduce his husband's servant, coincidence lng ba un na halos magkamukha ang eksena, medyo naiba lng ang ending..


    nagdadahilan lng si muhammad, ung book lng ung naisip nyang sign galing kay God... tsk tsk tsk..
    Hahaha... ano yang style mo ngaun echo101? bakit di mo nalang paunlakan hamon ko..

    Sige ilabas mo yang mga proof o evidence mo laban sa Qur'an..at ilalabas ko rin yang contradictions ng Bible mo... paunlakan mo nalng kasi ang hamon ko kaibigan... para malaman natin kung sino ang nasa katotohanan...

    Dapat talagang hindi salungat ang Bible sa Science kasi nga word of God nga eto ayon sa inyo di ba... kasi pag sinabi ng diyos ginawa ko tong ganito ganyan eh dapat in line din yan sa science...kasi totoo ang sinasabi ng Panginoon...

    Anong nagdadahilan ang mahal na Propeta Muhammad(pbuh) sige asan ang source mo? asan ang basehan dapat may basehan para masabing tama o mali...

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    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
    Hahaha... ano yang style mo ngaun echo101? bakit di mo nalang paunlakan hamon ko..

    Sige ilabas mo yang mga proof o evidence mo laban sa Qur'an..at ilalabas ko rin yang contradictions ng Bible mo... paunlakan mo nalng kasi ang hamon ko kaibigan... para malaman natin kung sino ang nasa katotohanan...

    Dapat talagang hindi salungat ang Bible sa Science kasi nga word of God nga eto ayon sa inyo di ba... kasi pag sinabi ng diyos ginawa ko tong ganito ganyan eh dapat in line din yan sa science...kasi totoo ang sinasabi ng Panginoon...

    Anong nagdadahilan ang mahal na Propeta Muhammad(pbuh) sige asan ang source mo? asan ang basehan dapat may basehan para masabing tama o mali...
    Ganyan ba talga kau? mas mahal nyo pa ata si Muhammad kesa kay Jesus..

    Wala kang isinagot sa akin kundi puro mga tanong...

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    Islam cannot be from God because its appeal is to man's lower nature rather than his higher nature. Compare the Biblical appeal of heaven to the Quranic appeal of heaven.


    The Biblical Appeal

    Matthew 5:10-12, 10. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

    Peter 1:3-4, 3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

    Mark 12:24-25, 24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

    Revelation 7:9-17, 9. After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.


    The Qur'an makes a large portion of its appeal to the fleshly appetites and sensibilities of man.

    Qur’an 37: 40. But the sincere (and devoted) Servants of Allah, 41. For them is a Sustenance Determined, 42. Fruits (Delights) and they (Shall enjoy) honor and dignity, 43. In Gardens of Felicity, 44. Facing each other On Thrones (of dignity): 45. Round will be passed To them a Cup From a clear flowing fountain, 46. Crystal white, of a taste Delicious to those Who drink (thereof), 47. Free from headiness; Nor will they suffer Intoxication there from. 48. And beside them will be Chaste women, restraining Their glances, with big eyes (Of wonder and beauty) 49. As if they were (Delicate) eggs closely guarded.

    Qur’an 4:57. But those who believe And do deeds of righteousness, We shall soon admit to Gardens, With rivers flowing beneath, - Their eternal home; Therein shall they have Companions [wives, NR] pure and holy; We shall admit them To shades, cool and ever deepening.

    Qur’an 44:51. As to the Righteous (They will be) in A position of Security, 52. Among Gardens and Springs; 53. Dressed in fine silk And in rich brocade, They will face each other; 54. So; and We shall Join them to Companions With beautiful big And lustrous eyes. 55. There can they call For every kind of fruit In peace and security; 56. Nor will they there Taste Death, except the first Death: and He will preserve Them from the Penalty Of the Blazing Fire.

    Which makes its appeal to the higher nature of man? The Bible does.

    Which is more likely to be from God - that which appeals to man’s higher nature, or that which appeals to his baser nature? The Bible is more likely to be from God than the Qur'an because its appeal is to man’s higher nature, while the appeal of the Qur'an is to man’s lower nature.

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