Chong ug Espina, Pariha ra ba ang kinaiya?

[jalmz]

hi viper,

kung maminaw ka permi sa programa ni Former Congressman Espina, nag talk na cya about sa 2010 election.

unsa kaha iya rason, namulitika man cya ug sayo? =)

[pinoyisip]

I think this discussion is too early to be seriously talked about. One year and 5 months too early that is.

Viper,

Some politicians, I think, are planning their dynasty ambitions even their
babies are not born yet.

If we can pre-empt their nefarious motives, the better educated the electorates will be. Again, let's grow up.

Otherwise, the cancer in the PI politics remain untreated unless
you are in the same program...my apology if you don't agree with
the movement.

[viper]

hi viper,

kung maminaw ka permi sa programa ni Former Congressman Espina, nag talk na cya about sa 2010 election.

unsa kaha iya rason, namulitika man cya ug sayo? =)

Let the politicians do their thing jalmz. Of course they won't be called 'politicians', if they will not extol 'their' virtues even if the elections are years away. It is their chosen profession.

[Jeff]

There is a saying that goes: Same dogs but different collars... pero sa aso lang yun, wag naman sana sa tao.

[viper]

Some politicians, I think, are planning their dynasty ambitions even their
babies are not born yet.

I don't understand what you are trying to imply with this sentence.

If we can pre-empt their nefarious motives, the better educated the electorates will be. Again, let's grow up.

Otherwise, the cancer in the PI politics remain untreated unless
you are in the same program...my apology if you don't agree with
the movement.

How do you preempt a deed before its done especially by politicians? I agree, let's grow up and do away with discussing politics for now. Politics divides the people.

[pinoyisip]

Some politicians, I think, are planning their dynasty ambitions even their
babies are not born yet.

I don't understand what you are trying to imply with this sentence.



Akong nalang binisay-on aron masabtan ko....ug sagolan gamay iningles.
Kahibalo man seguro unsa ang concept sa dynasty....ang lalaki politician, unya minyo, ang asawa politician pod human term limit, unya ug ang anak modako na politician na pod....maorag pareha sa England nga ang trono na-a ra gyod sa family circle.


Ang kaayo lang sa England ang na-a sa trono karon ilang gilantaw ang kaayohan sa mga tao dili lang ilang kaugalingon. But it was not smooth sailing historically kay diha may guerra ug pinatyanay ang nanghitabo tungod pod sa mga abuso ug greediness sa na-a sa trono. Mao ning uban katawhan sa dugayng panahon ninglangyaw ug mi-settle sa lugar nga karon gitawag ug Amerika. In short, nakarealize seguro ang diha sa trono nga dili maayo ilang gibuhat, mao na nausab ang ilang "attitude towards governing the people".

I was not really good in History class but that's my short understanding of the lesson. Now correct me if I'm wrong.

Maybe you can explain to us why you refuse to understand that dynasty in PI does not bode well for the masses for long long time (and no civil war please).... or you can ask more explanations from the
organizer of http://www.endpoliticaldynasty.com/index.html why the call for such movement. Email is just a click away.

Also, maybe he can explain to you much better than me(am not a pol sci nor history major) and hopefully you can share with us what transpires. Fair enough?




How do you preempt a deed before its done especially by politicians? I agree, let's grow up and do away with discussing politics for now.

Why do away for now? Do we have to wait when something unacceptable situations are going on? It's about pre-emptive measures. Look what happen on Sep 11, 2001? There were some hints it could happen but nobody acted on it. Same thing in Pearl Harbor. Well, as they say, the rest is history.



Politics divides the people.

It's okay for me that we the people are divided politically as long as it's done amicably, peacefully and cheerfully. It's part of growing up and what we cherish called DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM - but let us not abuse them.


By the way, I am no supporter of any politicians in PI for now except the barangay captain in my birthplace(she looks hot) whose efforts after the calamity was extraordinary. Yes, her family and relatives are not in the political world.

How about you, Viper? Whose side are you on. Just curious.
The more we know each other the better we can be friends - if ok with you.

[viper]

Akong nalang binisay-on aron masabtan ko....ug sagolan gamay iningles.
Kahibalo man seguro unsa ang concept sa dynasty....ang lalaki politician, unya minyo, ang asawa politician pod human term limit, unya ug ang anak modako na politician na pod....maorag pareha sa England nga ang trono na-a ra gyod sa family circle.

I won't deny that there are no political clans/dynasties here, because there are. Too many in fact.

Ang kaayo lang sa England ang na-a sa trono karon ilang gilantaw ang kaayohan sa mga tao dili lang ilang kaugalingon. But it was not smooth sailing historically kay diha may guerra ug pinatyanay ang nanghitabo tungod pod sa mga abuso ug greediness sa na-a sa trono. Mao ning uban katawhan sa dugayng panahon ninglangyaw ug mi-settle sa lugar nga karon gitawag ug Amerika. In short, nakarealize seguro ang diha sa trono nga dili maayo ilang gibuhat, mao na nausab ang ilang "attitude towards governing the people".

I was not really good in History class but that's my short understanding of the lesson. Now correct me if I'm wrong.

Maybe you can explain to us why you refuse to understand that dynasty in PI does not bode well for the masses for long long time (and no civil war please).... or you can ask more explanations from the
organizer of http://www.endpoliticaldynasty.com/index.html why the call for such movement. Email is just a click away.

Have i said anything like i don't/refuse to understand political dynasties? And have i said too that i am in favor of it? Good or Bad, we the people (or if you chose, the voters paid by the winning candidates), deserve who we elect.

Also, maybe he can explain to you much better than me(am not a pol sci nor history major) and hopefully you can share with us what transpires. Fair enough?

Why do away for now? Do we have to wait when something unacceptable situations are going on? It's about pre-emptive measures. Look what happen on Sep 11, 2001? There were some hints it could happen but nobody acted on it. Same thing in Pearl Harbor. Well, as they say, the rest is history.

It's okay for me that we the people are divided politically as long as it's done amicably, peacefully and cheerfully. It's part of growing up and what we cherish called DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM - but let us not abuse them.

By the way, I am no supporter of any politicians in PI for now except the barangay captain in my birthplace(she looks hot) whose efforts after the calamity was extraordinary. Yes, her family and relatives are not in the political world.

How about you, Viper? Whose side are you on. Just curious.
The more we know each other the better we can be friends - if ok with you.

Let's grow up and do away with discussing politics for now.

Politics divides the people.

[pinoyisip]

I won't deny that there are no political clans/dynasties here, because there are. Too many in fact.
Good, you admit now there is such a thing but you don't share your ideas and feelings how the cancer dynasty affects the living and political conditions at home.


Have i said anything like i don't/refuse to understand political dynasties?
Well, you ask for more explanations and so like a good dog, I tried to explain. Satisfied yet?


And have i said too that i am in favor of it?
That's why I ask you back whose side are you on and since you don't reply I assume you want privacy...I respect that.



Good or Bad, we the people (or if you chose, the voters paid by the winning candidates), deserve who we elect.
Voters paid by the winning candidate? How about the losers, they paid too, right? lol!
About vote buying, again, sounds so hopeless so sad so pathetic. I feel bad if I say "mirisi ra kay walay nabuhat bisag gamay para mausab ang kalibutan"...
When I used to vote before, nobody approached me to buy my vote. Maybe nahadlok sila nga ma-insulto naku and even if I did accept the money, I won't tell them whom I voted for.


Let's grow up and do away with discussing politics for now.
Dali-a pud nimo kapuyon oy, seguro mas bata pa ka naku or you run out of ideas?




Politics divides the people.
Well, I respect your decision and I'm glad you are not in China or Russia.



Cheers, people!

[sweety_gurl10]

your right jalmz, di maayo nga naa napoy laing political dynasty nga mahitabo diri sa biliran. kong kinsay may gustong modagan it's true nga dili sad ta makabuot kong gusto nila modagan ang katawhan maoy magbuot ana kong mobotar sila ug dili.

jalmz, murag di jud pud totally pareho sila espina ug chong. Kay si chong motabang siya bisag kinsa pa mapa espina man o chong. Usa pa wa pa koy nabatian nga naay nag pa broadcast ug "DAGHANG SALAMAT KAY CONG. CHONG SA IYANG TABANG... ETC...ETC..." hehehehe unlike sa mga espina nga murag kada commercial break permanente jud na present....heheheheh

[Jeff]

Go back to history and we all see Filipinos are very clannish, much more to politics. What's the countermeasures? We as voters must be wise what we really want to a candidate or a politician. Pag hindi natin alam kung ano ba talaga ang gusto natin at wala tayong ginawa, then sorry nalang tayo dahil iiral at iiral talaga ang paging clannish ng ibang politicians sa puwesto.