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    What is corruption? Is corruption an action based on what standard?
    What is religion?
    What makes religion corrupt? What is the moraltiy of religion?
    What is morality or ethics? Does man needs morality or ethics? What for?

    Is religion the root of corruption? Yes or NO? justify your answer.
     

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    What is corruption? Here is what the dictionary says:

    Putrefaction, the decomposition of recently-living matter. Other meanings of the term use this as a metaphor.
    Political corruption, the dysfunction of a political system or institution in which government officials, political officials or employees seek illegitimate personal gain through actions such as bribery, extortion, cronyism, nepotism, patronage, graft, and embezzlement.
    o Political corruption is a specific form of rent seeking (not to be confused with property rental), where access to politics is restricted by limited transparency, limited competition and domination of narrow interests.
    Corporate corruption, the abuse of power by corporate managers against shareholders or consumers.
    Data corruption, an unintended change to data in storage or in transit.
    Linguistic corruption, the change in meaning to a language or a text introduced by cumulative errors in transcription as changes in the language speakers' comprehension.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption

    And what is religion? Here:

    Religion . . . means the conscious relation between man and God, and the expression of that relation in human conduct. --J. K["o]stlin (Schaff-Herzog Encyc.)
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion

    Knowing from the foregoing what is corruption and what is religion, now we go to the question: Is religion the root of corruption?

    Nature teaches us that if the root is guava, then surely the trunk is also guava. Now, God as known by those who believe in Him, is Holy and incorruptible. And this Holy One calls the believers to be holy just He is holy. All their actions and non-actions should be aimed at holiness and incorruption, for that is what the God that they believe in wants of them.

    Clearly, if religion is a root, and a holy and incorruptible root, therefore it's trunk could be no other but holy and incorruptible too. Hence, the answer to the question is a big NO. Religion therefore, true religion that is, could never be a root of corruption.
     

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    When I say corruption the root is religion, I mean in essence. Religion in general outrightly attacked the human mind as the ONLY means of knowledge. When a simple mind asked: What is God? How do you know God exist? What is the proof that God exist? Since religion cannot answer that clearly with reason based on the facts of reality, what they will tell you is this: "God is incomprehensible by the human mind; what you must do is just believe it without any questions". That means the mind is not the means of knowing, it is not the tools of knowledge of reality, everything that man wants to know. Religion in short attacked the human mind. Read the story of Adam and Eve in the Genesis, the Bible-the source document of christianity.

    The evidences are every where. The people in the government are all religious, God fearing and yet there are corruptions. Reason: they do not know or do not accept the nature of the government. Knowing the nature of government through reason as the only means of knowing. No total separation of the State from religion; no total separation of state from economic activities.

    From the start of your life, they will tell you there is God, but cannot show. That will obviously corrupt the simple questioning mind of a child up to his adolescent years. Religious ideas are full of contradictions. Religion maintained it. You cannot have a relationship to a non-existing being. You cannot even hear,touch, see or taste His existence. LOL
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    Who says that the people in government are religious and God fearing? You alone says that! But what you say is absolutely not true. It seems you are living only in your own dream. Such kind of thinking is the one that could cause corruption. A life in make-believe only.
     

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    Ask them if they believe in God. That is the proof. It is undeniable, they will answer you. "Yes, I believe in God." It is you who must wake up to the facts that corruptions start in the belief without proof or evidences.

    If there is an objective atheist candidate will you vote for him? Who will you vote for? Of course all them proclaim "maka diyos." You will not vote for an atheist of course. LOL Murderers, killers, and even you will say, satan believe in God, LOL Go to Muntinlupa and observed that they all believe in God. LOL
     

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    When you said that "the people in government are religious and God-fearing", that is an opinion of yours which you have a duty to support with evidence.

    Now, you seem to tell me that your evidence is that when we ask these people whether they believe in God or not, you imply that you are sure that they would say they do. And that I would not vote for anyone who does not believe in God. Therefore, you conclude that they are religious and God-fearing.

    Look at your logic!

    Don't you know that even Satan believe in God too? But that does not make Satan religious or God-fearing.

    Clearly then, your opinion that the people in government are religious and God-fearing is baseless and illogical. And following your own method of reasoning presented in your preceding post, that it is in the belief without proof or evidence that corruption starts, we can therefore say that your baseless and illogical opinion is a root of corruption.

    Wake up friend!
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    Did you asked your mayor, your governor, your congressman and all government employees, if they believed in God or not? What are their answers? Be honest with yourself.
    Evasion is a form of corruption. Evading the real facts is corruption of the mind. And religion is doing it since your childhood.

    Yes, according to your book, Satan even trembled. Well, anyway, that is all mythologies and stories without any basis on reality.

    Religion is based on false idea. When it is accepted and believed in it will corrupt the human mind. That is absolutely true (philosophically) whether you accept it or not. Observed them. Observed yourself.
     

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    You want me to do something which is irrelevant to your proclaimed belief that the people in government are religious and God-fearing. Did you still not understand the point I was driving at? The point is: even if those people would say that they believe in God, it would not necessarily follow that they are religious and God-fearing! That is the main point which you just pretended not to have gotten in your head. That pretension of yours is the real example of what you called evasion.

    Unless you confront the issue at hand head on, you have no right to change such issue. Either you have real evidence of your belief that the people in government are religious and God-fearing, or you are simply believing on something that exists only in your mind. That is the issue at hand. And so far, the evidence that you proposed are all without relevance to the point at issue.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by agta View Post
    You want me to do something which is irrelevant to your proclaimed belief that the people in government are religious and God-fearing. Did you still not understand the point I was driving at? The point is: even if those people would say that they believe in God, it would not necessarily follow that they are religious and God-fearing! That is the main point which you just pretended not to have gotten in your head. That pretension of yours is the real example of what you called evasion.

    Unless you confront the issue at hand head on, you have no right to change such issue. Either you have real evidence of your belief that the people in government are religious and God-fearing, or you are simply believing on something that exists only in your mind. That is the issue at hand. And so far, the evidence that you proposed are all without relevance to the point at issue.
    Yes, it is relevant, of course. You stated and your Holy Book stated that even Satan trembled in fear of God. Satan, according to your Book, is a fallen angel. An angel who disobeyed God. Since there is no such supernatural beings, those people who declared they believed God are only fantazing that there is God or Satan. Meaning they are way far from reality-irrational. What makes them corrupt? First is their mind set, their mental attitude.

    Since there is no evidence that God exist, then the only evidences for those people who declared that they believe and fear God are their statement, their actions like attending churches, hearing sermons and praying or wishfull asking. What is the proof of believing in God? Answer: Statement, declaration in public, attending churches, praying. and if your are serious in your religion: Obey God to whatever whims God wants you to do, like killing your son and offering it to Him. Or even die like a Islamic terrorist for Allahs sake.

    You know and don't accept it that religion is unreason, irrational, non-sense; anything irrational, nonsense is corrupt. Unreason CORRUPTS the mind; and it started during your childhood, in religious schools. Religion is anti-mind and therefore, anti-life. That is the root of corruptions. LOL
     

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    You still did not face the issue at hand and it seems you do not know what is relevancy. Let me spell this out once again for your benefit. The issue at hand is your claim that the people in government are religious and God-fearing. I said that this belief of yours is totally false. You submitted as evidence your claim that these people believe in God. I said that your evidence is irrelevant to the point at issue because the fact that a person believes in God does not necessarily make him religious and God-fearing. In other words, there is no logical relation between belief in God and being religious and God-fearing. One who is truly religious recognizes God as his Heaven Father and strives to follow God's holiness and incorruptibility. There exists a real personal relation of Father and child between him and God. Absence such personal relation, there would be no religiousity to speak of.

    Actually, you contradict yourself. You do not believe that there is God and yet you claim that the people in government are religious and God-fearing. Meditate about it. Do you honestly believe that the people in government are religious and God-fearing or you are simply making a straw man that you would use in spreading a false idea?
    Last edited by agta; 06-20-2009 at 07:51 AM.
     

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